Shotguns (non-Ithaca)
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Dang, an amazing piece of work nevertheless...
RossignolST
on YouTube brad@mossbergowners.com "No free man shall ever be procluded the use of arms." Do right and fear nothing! |
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I tell you Rossignol, there are not too many of them out there, but if you ever get a change to see one, do it. I promise you'll like it even more. I hung onto that thing far longer than I probably should, if only I hated that I had something so nice and still shot it so poorly. I sold it to somebody I know and he can really smash bird with it, so I know I can't blame the gun. --Jim
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Any love for the humpbacks out there?
1923 vintage Remington Model 11 - reminds me of the Steve Earle song Devil's Right Hand "...shoot as fast as lightning but loads mighty slow." |
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I love humpbacks! That is a great looking Model 11! Did you see where Browning is resurrecting the shape on the "A5" model and is using an interia driven bolt? I ma sure it is very nice, but dang it isn't the same!
--Jim
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That's a fine lookin model 11 Sir!
"We live in a society of wolves. You do not fight back by creating more sheep."
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...it got better!
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Some of my non Ithaca others... |
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....And the other two |
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plus 1...... I think I'm becoming a pumpaholic!
Picked up a cheap Squires and Bingham Model 30, (Kassnar Imports, Harrisburg PA) another interesting shotgun with single action bar and spring assisted opening. After deep clean it is very slick. Was sleeping for last 25 years cleaned up a treat with no pitting and nice bright bore. 24" 729 cylinder bore makes this a candidate for slugs. will look out for suitable low cost sight system to suit |
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Nice collection, love the Arrieta. I've always been a sucker for sidelocks.
--Jim
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Yes the Arrieta is a lovely thing, unfortunately for me I have difficulty hitting anything with it! It comes up fine, feels good for the shot, has sweet triggers and all my friends love shooting it, just doesn't work too well for me. Now, the Gunmark Sabel, almost identical proportions, except barrels 2" shorter, average triggers, worth a fifth of the price, dusts everything! As you Americans say "Go figure!"
Roland |
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are you hitting high or low? Does it feel tight on your shoulder or does it slip?
When you hold it are the barrels parallel to the ground or do they seem skewed in any way? --Jim
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I usually shoot a bit high, its tight in the shoulder and no skew. There is one difference (probably everything!)which I forgot to mention, the Arrieta has half inch longer LOP and also a recoil pad where the Sabel is plain. Funny how when stuff is written down you start to see what you can't see when out in the field. Does "no brainer" mean I have no brain? A bit academic really, as one of my friends has made me a good offer on the Arrieta ( I loaned it to him at the weekend for some pigeon shooting and he got his best ever bag) and then I will be able to feed my pump addiction!
PS I have 2 large musket balls (snugly in a patch for future retrieval) in my Mod 37 stock, what a difference to the balance! She swings and lines up spot on for me now Top Tip! Thank you so much Roland |
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What happened to you is not uncommon. In fact it happens more often than not. Remember, you are shooting fast and not thinking about gun placement. All I did was make you think about gun placement
and nature took care of the rest. A thinner pad would help and if you have access to a sanding belt, you can grind your own. It is not hard, you just need a light touch. --Jim
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All I have beside Ithaca M-37's is this Remington Wing Master I bought new in 1967. 12 gauge, 2.75" chamber, 28" vent rib modified choke barrel. The box is long gone, I still have the original owners manual with parts list though. |
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It is nearly 50 years old and it looks like it is in better shape than I am! --Jim
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......Plus another in my quest to eventually have one of everything! This stray dog came to me via a deal on my old Over/Under, which I wasn't using anyway and had a light strike issue on the lower barrel, well, that's my excuse anyway! Savage Model 30E, it needs a couple of parts but I have found a guy scrapping one and have bought all the internals plus stock and fore-end so hope to get it up and running soon. Its my first with poly choke (seems a bit like a dirt collector) but not withstanding that its an interesting addition to my collection
Regards Roland
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That's a nice old classic. Poly-chokes were pretty popular from the 30's to the '60's. My uncle had an old Model 12 20 gauge with one and he also had beretta semi-auto with one and another one with one as well, thought I can't seem to remember the brand right now. I have the model 12 and it shoots well with it.
Some people find them ugly, but it was either that or a cutts if you wanted more than one choke. --Jim
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I would appreciate your take on the Valtro PM5 as I am looking to up my IPSC game and mag fed seems to be the way forward. Having said that I wish to stay manual (pump) for aesthetic and reliability reasons (plus I'm never going to be in the top flight of competitors!) I have looked at the Mossberg 500/590 with the Adaptive Tactical Venom box mag conversion but it seems to push the fore-end too far away. The Baikal MP133K is not currently available in the UK although I like its simple no nonsense lines. Any Thoughts? |
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Ouch!!! Sounds like somebody did some serious damage to that shotgun. Nothing worse than half-assed gunsmithing. It can break a good gun or worse make them dangerous. Good luck getting it back in shape.
Anyway, I don't know enough about the PM5 exactly, but I do know Valtro has done quite a bit of contract and OEM work for such companies as Weatherby, so I would think it would be a decent firearm. Just looking around they seem to be pretty simple with not alot of parts, which is a plus for me. Now the Bailkal, I have had experience with. they are butt ugly and crude looking, even more crude than the AK-47, but shoot defense loads flawlessly. They do seem to kick hard for a gas gun, but they do work. They clean pretty easily for a gas gun, too. Can't get them here right now either. Sanctions against Russia put a stop to that. I hear though that the importer (and company subsidiary) is going to build a factory to make them. --Jim
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Thanks Jim, Yeah Ouch! was my first impression with the Savage but with care and my imminent parts arrival I am looking forward to repairing, restoring and shooting this one. It has an odd serial no. (39D) seems very short to me. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of internet coverage for this gun although the Savage Arms company has a huge range of differing firearms, maybe at Ithacaowners we are just spoilt for information, conversation and good advice.
Thanks for your comments about box mags, although I think we got our wires crossed about the Baikal, I believe that the MP133K is a simple pump and that you were referring to the MP153 s/a, academic really with the sanctions, and even if produced in the USA we in the UK would not get a look in anyway! Looks like the Valtro is the way to go, they're currently being made by Brixia of Gardone, Italy who make some superb looking shotguns and have a nicely produced on-line catalogue. Best wishes Roland |
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Ahhh, you are right, I saw Baikal and I immediately thought of the AK clone.
It is rude and crude to say the least! Savage made a million different models some good some great some quirky (an over/under with a .22 and a .410 qualifies) and some pretty nasty. thankfully the nasty are few and far between. That s a low serial number, I think you may have a find here. In fact, I can't find it anywhere. That is not unusual, I once had a Stevens model 44 1/2 with a serial number of 12. Couldn't find a lick of info on it, it was too old. But it was legit. Sold it for a pantload, too. You'll have to keep me posted on your progress. --Jim
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It's been afield a few times, probably less than 500 rds through it. Just doesn't fit me well as an upland game gun, but some years ago I bought a smoothbore slug barrel for it and it does shoot well with slugs. I figure it'll be my grandsons graduation gift in a couple of years. |
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That's pretty cool, Love to see those great old guns get passed down.
--Jim
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