Historical Overview of the Ithaca Gun Company

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:26 pm
1977cutcher wrote:From an American perspective yes trading seems to be very lopsided. Our laws make it easy for other countries to dump steel, cars, oil, and various other products in our markets yet it is near impossible for our businesses to import into other countries. It is an issue that the common American holds against Washington yet we seem to get no results from our law makers. We are currently in the beginning of our election cycle for President and I do have hope, but we will see. Donald Trump seems promising but then again who knows.

I am curious, you seem to have a number of shotguns. I was under the impression that England made it very difficult to own more that one or two similar type firearms.

As far as your Smith and Wesson goes, you do see them in around in these parts but not very often. They have been out of production for some time. Parts are not easy to come by and they do not hold value very well. The tang safety is often found on some of our lower end "hard ware store grade" guns. The barrel attachment is similar to a Remington 31. My thought is that a group of engineers threw a bunch of good ideas at a gun that never really caught on.


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Mr Trump is getting bad press over here from the liberal lefties, but he is as far as I can see first and foremost a hugely successful businessman who wants to put America first. I don't think any American would be against that. All the Americans that I have known over the years have been fiercely patriotic irrespective of their politics. Its one of the things in the UK that worries me, the dilution of our heritage and the fear of speaking out and being labelled as reactionary. But, I digress, I love my country and would give all to protect her.
With regard to UK shot gun ownership, there are 2 levels; section 1 which is "multi shot", i.e. any shot gun with a total capacity of more than 3 rounds and section 2 which is "shotgun", that is any single shot, double barrel, and pump (lever) or auto with a magazine capacity permanently restricted to 2 rounds (+ 1 in chamber) This restriction is by means of a crimp on the mag tube. This crimp does not affect the working of the gun but does men that the follower can never be removed (difficult for deep clean) My shotguns are held on section 2 and there is no actual limit imposed, other than secure storage. I have a metal 8 gun safe which was approved by the local police authority. I could install another or many if I wished. It is my intention to collect those pump guns that interest me and I foresee no immediate limit to that. I also shoot an Arrieta sidelock and a Feg over/under. I am in the throes of applying for my section 1 licence which does take time but I foresee no problems there. The main difference with section 1 is that I will have to specify which guns I wish to acquire, calibre, type etc. rifles and other non restricted guns are also on section 1. We cannot own and keep at home, self loading full-bore rifles and handguns. There are some dispensations for classic and historical handguns where the guns are kept in an armoury at the range.
We work with the laws and shooting in the UK is quite healthy, personally I shoot sporting clays, skeet, compak, game and ipsc disciplines, the latter the reason for high capacity shotgun requirement (3 shots definitely teaches ammo awareness!)
Love your quote about engineers! how often that happens in life!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:42 pm
Well that clears up some of my misconceptions about UK gun laws. I can say that I consider myself fortunate to live where I do. Except for full automatic fire arms and some short barreled fire arms (shot guns with barrels under 18 inches) I am not restricted in owning any type or number of firearms. If I do wish to own short barreled or full automatic fire arm I would have to apply for a tax stamp. After receiving the stamp (one per restricted fire arm) I can store and shoot it as I deem appropriate provided I do not break any laws. In addition to the above I am allowed to after passing a course carry a concealed pistol on my person. You are not however allowed to carry a pistol on school grounds, or other restricted government establishments (jails, court room, and the like). Business owners are also allowed to prohibit concealed carried as well. Open carry is allowed at all time however you are likely to raise eyebrows, and attract unwanted attention from local authorities.

As far a Trump goes yes he does get a lot of bad press from the left. One of the things that I notice is that he is also respected by many of the world leaders that much of the world fears. I guess we will see what happens.

We do have a cousin that teaches at Oxford. He specializes in the country of Burma / Myanmar. We Keep in touch via Skype and they do come home every so often. They do enjoy England quite a bit however they also miss home. According to them many thing are similar however there are a number of things that are quite different (they are not really gun people so that not what they are referring to).

By the by one of my favorite songs is Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner by Warren Zevon.
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I've not heard that song before, Warren Zevon not too big over here. However, I looked it up, what a great song!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:54 pm
You may get a kick out of his "Ware-wolfs of London" as well.
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I actually do know that one! was used in movie of same name ! maybe I will look up W Z catalogue, as probably do know some of his material. I was raised on Led Zeppelin, Groundhogs and most late '60s early '70s blues-rock. which leads me to my next acquisition.... Ready for my Section 1 licence, I have purchased, and its in storage with the dealer, a 1971 mod 37 10 shot. I had to grab this one while it was available and whilst in the dealers I gave it a full strip down. The blue is good and internally it seems almost un-used. The Mag is non Ithaca I believe, but I will check further once I get my hot little hands on it at home. Everything works and all is good in the world!!! :D
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Never heard of a 10 shot before. the most I have ever come across is a 8 shot. The barrel lug is right at the muzzle, never seen that before either. My guess is that it has been modified at some point. At first glance it does appear to be of good work though.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:46 pm
To get this thread back on track, I believe that I see the future of the model 37............ The company and shotguns in general.......Now if only I was an engineer, talented and brave! I handled today a Valtro PM5. Now, if the team at Sandusky could machine a 37 receiver with a mag well, what a tool that would be! The Valtro (made by Brixia now apparently) is a bit rough and ready but the balance with a full magazine (10 or 7) seemed spot on to me. With Ithaca quality machining and finish it would be a world beater. Obviously we would lose the bottom eject but with a solid receiver it could eject selectively left or right or maybe I'm losing the plot here and rambling........I'll keep taking the pills dear!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:12 am
Since posting the above ramblings, I have done a bit of research and have seen the Adaptive Tactical Box mag kit for the Mossberg 500/590, now, would that not be a nice bit of kit on a 37? I am sure that there would be a myriad of technical difficulties, but how cool would that gun be? Come on Sandusky!!!!! The future awaits!
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