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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:43 am
I have alluded to this in another post under hunting,but found this section.Please build a Ithaca Double Barrel!The 1st shotgun I ever shot at 12 years old was a Mod 37.I hope the last I ever shoot is also an Ithaca.Liike it to be a double.NOT one of mt old dbls-NIDs-but a new one.You've made everyone happy by making new Mod 37's.Now the Phoenix rising from the ashes and the Larrabe for the trap nuts.NOW how about making all of us double afficionados delirious by producing what I think will turn the shotgun world on it's ear-A 100% American-made,classy,stylish,more adjectives,Ithaca Double Barrel.SXS's are on the way back.There is a definite retro movement in all things.Witness the 16ga Society.Doubleguns.com,etc.I peruse many gun sites and forums and am seeing a trend back to doubles.The sales sites are full of them,and tthey seem to be going fast and at good prices.NJD's are going for $1000 and up.I think because true shotgunners want a truly reliable dbl.Bird hunters today have to pay $ to upland hunt and are doing so.When I went last fall,the other hunters ooohed and aahed over my dbls.The fancy autos and o/u's were overlooked.I truly believe there is a substancial market,an Ithaca having such an excellant name in old dbls could capitalize on this.Shoot for $2000 for a field model to start.I'll buy one!If someone wants fancy engraving,let them pay for it.The original Ithaca Co. made thousands of field models.The hunting dog on the side alone is the most simple and most recognized aymbal ever put on a shotgun.I don't have to read the barrel or take it apart to know what I'm looking at!It's an Ithaca! and everyone knows it!Bring out a modren New Ithaca Double Field Model with the traditional game scene and shotgunners will buy it!Even folks who wouldn't normally pay that for a gun will buy one because they know they'll be getting a quality,American made product.A true Am.Dbl made by an established American company with a history of making the best shotgun .Build it and they will buy!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:48 am
As you say swampus,"An upland hunter's dream".

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:29 am
I would buy one myself! I just dont see how with such a great nation of such hard working & smart& and entreprenurial folks as ourselves that someone, anyone cant build a solid, decent, affordable double. I mean, to add to the point above and take it a bit different; why cant a quality double be built for under $1000? I do realize the old processes and hand labor cause prices to exceed $2000 quickly, so why cant someone devise a way to build for less? It seems like if a guy with means & with a passion could figure out a way to do this without breaking the bank. Just a pure, solid shooter and as was mentioned offer the fancy stuff but at a price. I will admit, I know very little about manufacturing but I do know economics and the demand is there along with plenty of potential. Imagine how many folks out there buy pumps or autos due to availability and price. Talk about an untapped market! There are so many that want a sxs but cant afford to take a risk on new foreign guns and neither can they afford the risk of buying a used double due to so many "junkers" & clunkers out there and a lot of folks dont know what to look for. Heck, if not for the internet many of us, especially myself, wouldnt know the difference between a $5k gun and a wall hanger.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:59 pm
My wife and I like to shoot Black Powder cartridge, and the folks that we shoot with hold to the standard that the guns have to have either hammers or Damascus barrels. Ithaca Crass and Lewis fits the bill perfectly.
I am still looking forward to the release of the Phoenix, but I would love to have a new SxS, as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:52 pm
I agree I would love to see an Ithaca SXS but I will settle for their new over under and single shot trap for now.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:55 pm
BPskeeter wrote:My wife and I like to shoot Black Powder cartridge, and the folks that we shoot with hold to the standard that the guns have to have either hammers or Damascus barrels. Ithaca Crass and Lewis fits the bill perfectly.
I am still looking forward to the release of the Phoenix, but I would love to have a new SxS, as well.



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:53 am
My wife shoots a Stevens 235 that has hammers, but I'm shooting a 'Fletcher Special', which is in reality a cross between a Crass and a Lewis. Mfg'd in 1900, but we figured they were test marketing the new designs. It has Damascus barrels. That's the one that I am currently restocking. I also picked up an actual Crass that has a broken stock for my next project. But both are hammerless,
I'm really keeping my eyes open for either a Baker or a NIG, so that I would have a hammer gun to shoot. It's just natural!
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BPskeeter wrote:My wife shoots a Stevens 235 that has hammers, but I'm shooting a 'Fletcher Special', which is in reality a cross between a Crass and a Lewis. Mfg'd in 1900, but we figured they were test marketing the new designs. It has Damascus barrels. That's the one that I am currently restocking. I also picked up an actual Crass that has a broken stock for my next project. But both are hammerless,
I'm really keeping my eyes open for either a Baker or a NIG, so that I would have a hammer gun to shoot. It's just natural!



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:17 pm
Hey Skeeter, not sure if you are interested, but check this out


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =276244155
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:47 am
OH. BE STILL, MY HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't have the money right now, but I would love to have one like that. That is a beautiful Damascus pattern on the barrel.

To answer your first question, I do load my own. We do both BP loads and we have worked up a light smokeless load that we are very pleased with. If I am on the bird, it will break.

To kinda wander back to the original thread, I am as pleased as I can be to be standing on the firing line with my Ithaca, next to folks with their Parkers and Elsies. They made a fine gun then, and I'm sure that folks would love to be in the field with a new one today.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:33 am
BPskeeter wrote:OH. BE STILL, MY HEART!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't have the money right now, but I would love to have one like that. That is a beautiful Damascus pattern on the barrel.

To answer your first question, I do load my own. We do both BP loads and we have worked up a light smokeless load that we are very pleased with. If I am on the bird, it will break.

To kinda wander back to the original thread, I am as pleased as I can be to be standing on the firing line with my Ithaca, next to folks with their Parkers and Elsies. They made a fine gun then, and I'm sure that folks would love to be in the field with a new one today.




I couldn't resist! I have to say that is one nice looking gun. A little TLC and it would be quite a piece.
If I may ask, what is your recipe? What do you use for components to load BP?

And to back your statement up, I have been getting alot of inquiries regarding the Phoenix.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:54 pm
Sorry that I didn't get back to you sooner, Raven, but I was out of town.

Here is our pet BP load:
CCI209 primer
Winchester target hulls
2 1/4 dram Swiss 3F black powder
1 nitro card overpowder wad - 12 ga
1 1/2 cushion wads - 12 ga
7/8 oz shot - #9 for me and #8 for the wife to shoot trap with

If we are using the black Remington hulls, the load remains the same, but we use 13 ga. wads instead. The wall thickness of the Remington hulls is much greater than the Winchester's, and Mike's Quality 13 ga wads still measure .730, so they give a good seal.

The powder and shot weights are the same as we use in our muzzleloading shotguns for most of the matches that we shoot. The guys over on Shotgunworld.com convinced me to try the 7/8 load in my modern 12 ga. for skeet, and I fell in love with it. We can break birds all day long with it, without breaking our shoulders, and if you think that it's not effective, the wife walked away with 5 medals at Friendship this last fall shooting it on trap.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:03 pm
That is really fascinating, Skeeter. How do you load black powder? I mean what kind of devices do you use?
Please forgive the questions, you have me really curious.

and nothing wrong with a 7/8 load. It is just a 20 gauge load right? I know one of the older fellows I shoot with uses a 7/8 load in a 12 and he hits lights out.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:15 pm
We use the same brass dippers that we use for loading the muzzloaders. I did pick up an older shotshell press that measures wad pressure (we use 50#) Before we opened up the chambers on our guns, we cut off the shells to 2 3/8", and used an over shot card. By then running them through the crimp die, they gave a perfect roll crimp.
We could have used the powder and shot bottles on the press, but I'm a little anal about safety, so I keep my powder safely off to one side. Just my choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:11 pm
Very impressive, Skeeter, thanks for sharing. I was wondering about how you dispensed your powder. I know PW specifically says to not dispense BP in their reloaders. A roll crimp, too. That is cool!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:53 pm
BP, that is pretty awesome. It sounds like a lot of fun.

I second the motion about Ithaca building a double. If it handles anything like the model 37 it will be magic in a hunter's hands.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:18 am
If a gun company really wants to bring out a NEW SXS they should make an Eight Gauge again. Alot of guys just have to have the "BIGGEST" gun and would have to buy it. Loo at all the Desert Eagle 50s out there that have only been shot once. They still sell alot of them. The ammo manufacturers would have a new product and finally there would be a shell with enough shot in it to hunt ducks and geese. Just my three cents (inflation) Don.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:48 am
Donald wrote:If a gun company really wants to bring out a NEW SXS they should make an Eight Gauge again. Alot of guys just have to have the "BIGGEST" gun and would have to buy it. Loo at all the Desert Eagle 50s out there that have only been shot once. They still sell alot of them. The ammo manufacturers would have a new product and finally there would be a shell with enough shot in it to hunt ducks and geese. Just my three cents (inflation) Don.


The only problem with an eight gauge is that its use is very limited.It cannot be used to hunt waterfowl as the Canada/United States Bird Treaty states that no shotgun larger than 10 gauge can be used for watefowl hunting.

The eight gauge is probably not a gauge that would see a lot of use in the uplands. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:30 am
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Donald wrote:If a gun company really wants to bring out a NEW SXS they should make an Eight Gauge again. Alot of guys just have to have the "BIGGEST" gun and would have to buy it. Loo at all the Desert Eagle 50s out there that have only been shot once. They still sell alot of them. The ammo manufacturers would have a new product and finally there would be a shell with enough shot in it to hunt ducks and geese. Just my three cents (inflation) Don.


The only problem with an eight gauge is that its use is very limited.It cannot be used to hunt waterfowl as the Canada/United States Bird Treaty states that no shotgun larger than 10 gauge can be used for watefowl hunting.

The eight gauge is probably not a gauge that would see a lot of use in the uplands. :)


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