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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:27 pm
If you have tried to buy ammo in the last two weeks, there isn't any. Wal-Mart is not sportsman freindly any longer and has stopped selling ammo world wide. Sam Walton would turn over in his grave. I spoke to most ammo suppliers at the SHOT show, all inventory is gone, even .22's and it will be months before you will see any. People are buying in response to our governments grab of our 2nd amendment rights. If you live in NY, thank your legislators who now require a backgound check and waiting period to buy one box and the 7 round clip restriction. This also will dramtically decrease the amount of funding from Pittman - Roberstson for the state natural resources agencies, millions for wildlife conservation, gone, by stupid politicians, same for CT.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:15 am
No ammo shortage at my house thanks to prudent buying when it was plentiful and cheap. Also cabinets full of components for reloading and plenty of lead for casting.

As for the state of NY, they haven't exactly gun friendly since the battle of Saratoga, but this new law will turn otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals overnight when it takes effect.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:11 pm
Yes many have stockpiled but needs like I have to purchase for LE qualifications are met with no ammo. The casual hunter I hope, has purchased already. Hard to say where this is headed for awhile.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:19 pm
Trenchgun wrote:If you have tried to buy ammo in the last two weeks, there isn't any. Wal-Mart is not sportsman freindly any longer and has stopped selling ammo world wide. Sam Walton would turn over in his grave. I spoke to most ammo suppliers at the SHOT show, all inventory is gone, even .22's and it will be months before you will see any. People are buying in response to our governments grab of our 2nd amendment rights. If you live in NY, thank your legislators who now require a backgound check and waiting period to buy one box and the 7 round clip restriction. This also will dramtically decrease the amount of funding from Pittman - Roberstson for the state natural resources agencies, millions for wildlife conservation, gone, by stupid politicians, same for CT.



I have a feeling there will be plenty of road trips to PA for Ammo. Did you know these hideous laws also apply to Law enforcement, too? They were in such a hurry to screw the honest man, they never added in an exception. As for Wal-mart, I stopped buying anything there years ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:21 pm
The Walmart down the road from me has no issues selling ammo. I bought 3 boxes of 16ga there tonite. The guy working at the counter took the time to BS and let us know his opinion of what is transpiring. He said he put out a case of 9mm and it was gone in 45 minutes. They still have plenty of 12ga and 20ga on the shelf. No harassment at all.

Now at Dick's Sporting Goods they ask for ID to verify birthdate. We got a 10.00 coupon in the mail and they had some 20ga field loads on sale, so we bought 5 boxes for my wife and daughter. As much as they shoot, that will last a couple years.

I am going to hit the Walmart up across town and see if they have anymore 16ga shells. I have been having good results with the Federal higher velocity #6 loadings for rabbits and even squirrels. For 13.60 something a box, that is not a bad price for 16ga cartridges.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:33 pm
From what I've read Walmart has stated that they are NOT going to stop selling ammo. It would seem they're having the same problems with supply that everyone else is having.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:50 am
Some reloading components are scarce too and have been for awhile, last april I ordered a box of 1000 110gr, .30 FMJ bullets for my M-1 Carbine, got them in October. After filling Back orders the bullets were on back order again! Shopped around for 00 buckshot to load, ain't happening anytime soon, I'll have to cast it.

My ammo hoarder instinct kicked in when the dope smoki'n draft dodger was president, so with what I have on hand I should be good for the rest of my days, but I'll still buy when available at good prices.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:05 am
Guys, I work for a sporting goods wholesaler, and I can tell you, at least here in the midwest, that this "shortage" is simply a result of demand far exceeding supply. Since the panic started after Obama was re-elected, our company has experienced our ALL-TIME record months in sales, and on the delivery side, we are taxed to the limit.
The big "culprit" in all this are those folks who are hoarding large quanities of ammo.
The supply has remained the same, but instead of a pallet of say, .223 ammo coming in and sitting on our warehouse floor for a couple of weeks until it's gone, now as soon as it comes in, it's right out the door again. But the next pallet isn't scheduled to come in for that couple of weeks.
I'm a bit of a prepper and a reloader, as well, so I know how you're feeling. But don't panic and allow some unscrupulous dealer to sell you something at an astronomical price because of "shortages" (I know that our friend Jim doesn't do that, but I've seen some who are). Just relax, step back, and take a breath. If you can find some good deals, great. But this will balance out in a few months.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:54 pm
Amen. I see one of two things happening. Either I'm wrong and s gun owners are really in for it. OR, in a few months there'll be a glut of ammo available and a flood of panic bought lightly used guns for sale.

I hope and pray its scenario number 2.
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Colonel26 wrote:Amen. I see one of two things happening. Either I'm wrong and s gun owners are really in for it. OR, in a few months there'll be a glut of ammo available and a flood of panic bought lightly used guns for sale.

I hope and pray its scenario number 2.



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My brother took our neice and her husband to a gunshow last weekend and said the vendors were like sharks feeding on chum.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:45 am
Guess it will come down to what happens in the next few weeks with Obama and even Feinstien. ObaMA CONVERTING HIS CAMPAIGN GROUP TO A 501c4 is to attempt to oppose the NRA on gun control and other social issues. Our Wal mart was told they will not be restocked once it is gone but anything can hapen if enough write to wally world and complain. But the opinions above are right on, the pipeline of ammo is totally empty right now and Wally world now is not a priority, the big box supporters are like Cabela's and Bass Pro. Dicks' dropped a notch over the assualt weapon decision and it was notced by the industry. Good forum, thanks.
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Colonel26 wrote:Amen. I see one of two things happening. Either I'm wrong and s gun owners are really in for it. OR, in a few months there'll be a glut of ammo available and a flood of panic bought lightly used guns for sale.

I hope and pray its scenario number 2.




I have been saying pretty much the exact same thing. I think it will end up being a combination of both, minimal legislation will pass (probably background stuff) and this will die down. For now.

When it does, then it is the time to acquire all you can at rock bottom prices until the market naturally recovers. I figure the people cleaning out the stores are hoarding all this stuff on credit, so when those card companies send those past due notices... people may start to become desperate.



Also, the Walmart thing apparently is untrue. At least from the report I read about it and the employees that stock shelves there. Just a rumor that was started on the internet and went around to all the people. Heck, even the chap at my WM said nothing of the sort (I have a pretty good rapport with so we shoot the breeze often)... just panic buying and people buying to flip to make a profit. The assholes buying it ALL to flip caused Academy Sports to ration sell it in my area (it is all over local gun boards for example). Which is actually nice so now I can buy a few boxes of 5.56 over a few days and test out a rifle I bought last summer along with a little .40S&W pistol. Really did not want to waste any of my nice ammo breaking the things in...

The Cabela's here is very low on ammo except for the odd ball stuff, same with Bass Pro, Academy Sports, Dick's, etc, etc, etc. They have shipments come in; goes on shelves; disappears as fast as it can be stocked. A few pals and I hit a different store daily looking for a box or two for each other. Sometimes we find something, other times not a thing.

I decided to buy my reloading kit about a year too late, I have virtually no supplies to make it viable. Just brass and the machine. Oh well, c'est la vie.



The gun shows are a waste of time now, in my area at least. Surprised the Fire Marshal does not limit the amount of people at some of these. The last one I went to in late December in Fort Worth was a ZOO. No parking, could barely walk around, very stuffy (hot inside) environment, dealers taking advantage of people, etc. All I needed was an ankle holster and a few boxes of small pistol ammo along with the slim chance I would find a Kel Tec Sub 2000 in stock... left with nothing. Perhaps if you lived in a smaller state, a smaller show would be okay to attend.

Not sure if I told you guys, but ALL of my pawn shops are stuffed full of hunting shotguns and nice, high powered rifles. If you need one, now is the time to buy as I suppose people have been dumping them to buy those 'assault rifles' that cause crime. ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:07 pm
One thing I can say as a resident of NY, i don't think this law will stand. There are already a half dozen lawyers working on a class action suit against the state. They claim that the state violated the 5th ammendment and did not allow us due process. Since we were blind sided by this law and had no prior knowledge of it. As for the rest of it the mandatory registration of assult weaqpons and the mag capacity limits start April 15, 2013. The ban on buying ammo over the internet and background checks for buying ammo don't start until January 15, 2014. Now some dealers may have started early to show complience. If you live in NY and wish to sign onto the law suit to shop you support go here and follow the instructions. http://nysecond.org/

After the law was passed Midway stopped selling ammo and components to NY, I received an E-Mail from them explaining why and that they had reviewed the law and call the state police. They now will sell ammo and components to NY residents until January 15, 2014 and Still sell 8 to 10 round mags to NY until April 15, 2013. Its almost like they're saying stock up people. The state police came out in the sunday paper two weeks ago and said that it is not going to be illegal to poessess 10 round mags only to have more than seven rounds in them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:17 am
Good forum input, Wal-Mart in our town, I spoke to the Sporting Goods Manager, he said he was told he could not re-order and the shelves are bare.

As to magazine capacaity, here is something for you to communicate in NY. the average Law Enforcement (LE) officer, in a fire fight or when confronted with a shooting situation, has a hit rate of 15% on average. For a 7 round magazine, if your an LE officer or as good when your life is threatened, that means of 7 shots 1 may hit the target at a distance of 21 feet. Thats not protection, that is stupidity by our legislkators. As the distance increases the percentage decreases, IE the reason the AR comes into play for protection. As a civilian defending your home, it is doubtful of 7 rounds you would hit anyone that is why both law enforcement and the general population must have large capacity magazines. You can get the stats on line but it should be used to defend the large cpacity discussion and legislation. Evil cannot be controlled by laws.

Meanwhile, I'm watching the scalpers too, Natchez Shooters Supply quadripled thier prices on .223, dropped quantities and raised prices, needles to say, they are now off my list. I have not compared Cabela's or Bass Pro but I hope they are fair and not gouging. I think it will settle in but it is going to take months. Cheaper Than Dirt has already been singled out for extreme gouging on FB and other sources so they too are off the list. :(
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Trenchgun wrote:Good forum input, Wal-Mart in our town, I spoke to the Sporting Goods Manager, he said he was told he could not re-order and the shelves are bare.

As to magazine capacaity, here is something for you to communicate in NY. the average Law Enforcement (LE) officer, in a fire fight or when confronted with a shooting situation, has a hit rate of 15% on average. For a 7 round magazine, if your an LE officer or as good when your life is threatened, that means of 7 shots 1 may hit the target at a distance of 21 feet. Thats not protection, that is stupidity by our legislkators. As the distance increases the percentage decreases, IE the reason the AR comes into play for protection. As a civilian defending your home, it is doubtful of 7 rounds you would hit anyone that is why both law enforcement and the general population must have large capacity magazines. You can get the stats on line but it should be used to defend the large cpacity discussion and legislation. Evil cannot be controlled by laws.

Meanwhile, I'm watching the scalpers too, Natchez Shooters Supply quadripled thier prices on .223, dropped quantities and raised prices, needles to say, they are now off my list. I have not compared Cabela's or Bass Pro but I hope they are fair and not gouging. I think it will settle in but it is going to take months. Cheaper Than Dirt has already been singled out for extreme gouging on FB and other sources so they too are off the list. :(


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Hornet22savage wrote:One thing I can say as a resident of NY, i don't think this law will stand. There are already a half dozen lawyers working on a class action suit against the state. They claim that the state violated the 5th ammendment and did not allow us due process. Since we were blind sided by this law and had no prior knowledge of it. As for the rest of it the mandatory registration of assult weaqpons and the mag capacity limits start April 15, 2013. The ban on buying ammo over the internet and background checks for buying ammo don't start until January 15, 2014. Now some dealers may have started early to show complience. If you live in NY and wish to sign onto the law suit to shop you support go here and follow the instructions. http://nysecond.org/

After the law was passed Midway stopped selling ammo and components to NY, I received an E-Mail from them explaining why and that they had reviewed the law and call the state police. They now will sell ammo and components to NY residents until January 15, 2014 and Still sell 8 to 10 round mags to NY until April 15, 2013. Its almost like they're saying stock up people. The state police came out in the sunday paper two weeks ago and said that it is not going to be illegal to poessess 10 round mags only to have more than seven rounds in them.



So it won't be illegal to posses 10 round mags? That is not what the law says. And how are you going to enforce this? That is like saying it is illegal to hunt fowl with 4 rounds in the mag but you can only put in 2. Unless there is a plug in there, how do you know for sure? Sounds like serious backtracking to me.
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I will not shop at CTD again either and they are about 30 minutes from me. One thing I cannot stand are price gougers in emergencies/panics
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Hit Man X wrote:I will not shop at CTD again either and they are about 30 minutes from me. One thing I cannot stand are price gougers in emergencies/panics



That is pretty low, isn't it. I got into this business because I felt not enough people were in it for the right reasons. This is absolutely one of the wrong ones.
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I can see rationing to be fair otherwise a few will clean it out all the time but gouging, no, absolutely not. Jim, thanks for being the kind of shop we can look up to.
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Hornet22savage wrote:One thing I can say as a resident of NY, i don't think this law will stand. There are already a half dozen lawyers working on a class action suit against the state. They claim that the state violated the 5th ammendment and did not allow us due process. Since we were blind sided by this law and had no prior knowledge of it. As for the rest of it the mandatory registration of assult weaqpons and the mag capacity limits start April 15, 2013. The ban on buying ammo over the internet and background checks for buying ammo don't start until January 15, 2014. Now some dealers may have started early to show complience. If you live in NY and wish to sign onto the law suit to shop you support go here and follow the instructions. http://nysecond.org/

After the law was passed Midway stopped selling ammo and components to NY, I received an E-Mail from them explaining why and that they had reviewed the law and call the state police. They now will sell ammo and components to NY residents until January 15, 2014 and Still sell 8 to 10 round mags to NY until April 15, 2013. Its almost like they're saying stock up people. The state police came out in the sunday paper two weeks ago and said that it is not going to be illegal to poessess 10 round mags only to have more than seven rounds in them.



So it won't be illegal to posses 10 round mags? That is not what the law says. And how are you going to enforce this? That is like saying it is illegal to hunt fowl with 4 rounds in the mag but you can only put in 2. Unless there is a plug in there, how do you know for sure? Sounds like serious backtracking to me.



I'm just relaying what was posted in the sunday paper by the NY State Troopers. You can keep your 10 round mags, you jaust can not put more than sever rounds in them. Yes I agree that it is stupid and agree with you. People will used them to their capacity if it is there and there is no real way to enforce it. I have come to the decesion that our quack of a governor wanted to be the first one to enact new regs and did it fast and did not think of how stupid his new law was. There are a few senators in the Ny senate that are fighting to overturn the law since it does not address the real issues.
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ravengunsmith wrote:That is pretty low, isn't it. I got into this business because I felt not enough people were in it for the right reasons. This is absolutely one of the wrong ones.




Oh yes, beyond low. That did it in for me, too bad as they were local to me.
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The Bass Pro Shop nearby, is out of most handgun ammo. Shotgun shells looked to be in good supply, at least for hunting and target loads. I didn't pay much attention to center fire rifle ammo. I can't find .22 long rifles anywhere.

When this shortage clears I'm going to stock up.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:13 pm
I always love lightly used guns.....all but 2 of mine are used.

I haven't bought too much 22 ammo...but my 12g stuff is good for a while....
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